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#SFGiants and Belt Have 9AM EST #BeltBash Arbitration Hearing Scheduled for Wednesday

Brandon Belt and the San Francisco Giants could go to an arbitration hearing to decide Belt’s 2014 salary: $2.05 million that the Giants proposed, or the $3.6 million Belt’s team put out. Should the Giants and Belt not agree to a number before the 9 AM EST hearing on Wednesday in Florida, the two sides will say why Belt does/doesn’t deserve the numbers they submitted.

Here are the arguments as to why the Giants will win and Brandon Belt will only get $2.05 million:

  • Belt struck out nearly 22% of the time in ’13, 23.0% from ’11-’13
  • Five stolen bases in 2013 for someone 6’5″?
  • Takes a long time to make adjustments after repeated requests from coaching staff
  • Walk ratio was lower than 10%, the better 1B in the league are putting up at least 10%
  • Hasn’t reached 80 runs, or 80 RBI plateau yet, need more out of a middle of the order guy
  • Mike Trout doesn’t even make $2 million, what are you crying about?!

Some of the arguments Belt’s side could make:

  • .360 OBP in 2013 was Top 10 among MLB 1B, and aside from Allen Craig in 2014, those guys are getting PAID
  • .365 wOBA in ’13 was Top 10 among MLB 1B, as was his 139 wRC+
  • Do his sub-20 seventeen home runs bother you? Well his .351 BABIP (in two straight years no less) is pretty good, and was Top 5 MLB 1B
  • Willingness to play LF and be a team player
  • Did (finally) listen to coaching and did you want to hear about how he kinda killed it in the second half of the season?

From Belt’s side there will probably be a lot more citing of players that put up comparable stats, or inferior numbers to Belt, and really that should do the job if the arbiters are familiar with the numbers. If the committee will be relying on runs batted in, runs, stolen bases, and perhaps home runs, I could see how this might not go Belt’s way. Otherwise, you would imagine that this would be a slam dunk for Belt to get $3.6 million, especially if they start bringing in information on the second half of the 2013 season. For the Giants sake, they should hope they settle on a number before they’re forced to pay $3.6 million. From a roster salary perspective, you should root for the Giants so that their hopefully inevitable multi-year deal with Belt is less costly. You can make your predictions that management will find a number to settle on with Belt, but all I really care about is the multi-year deal that should get done with Brandon — something to buy out his arbitration years and hopefully get some options to eat up a couple free agent years (the most ideal scenario).

Final comments from the beat writers and then I’m out:

Have a great day, everybody!


Per @JeffPassan, Brandon Belt and #SFGiants $1.6MM apart

Arbitration deals have reportedly been done for Tony Abreu, Gregor Blanco, and Yusmeiro Petit. Meanwhile, in the other two realms of San Francisco Giants and arbitration:

Settling on the mid-point for $1.3MM doesn’t seem like the worst compromise for the penny-pinching now money-saving Giants. Arias has been a good utility guy for the Giants, but the clock may be running out on him, both for offensive ability reasons and if Joe Panik can be a useful utility infielder, perhaps Arias becomes less relevant. One of the bigger differences in the arbitration number swap comes courtesy of Brandon Belt and the San Francisco Giants:

As a proud member of Team Not My Money, either of those numbers for Belt are great, and would set up nicely for a multi-year deal to buy out his arbitration years, and maybe even a free agent year. Imagine the possibilities with $3MM in 2014, and then maybe somewhere around $25MM for the next three. With $2.05MM as the base in 2014, that sets it up for even cheaper, and that’s nice, also.

We’ll see if the Giants go to arbitration with Belt (I’m going to assume they work something out with the other guy, Arias), but if they’re $1.6MM apart, maybe they can use this as fuel for the multi-year deal. I remember when the Giants did this when they were millions apart with Tim Lincecum back in 2012. It was kind of sweet how they did it, even if it did eat up a large chunk of the payroll, which Brandon Belt will not.

Is Belt the greediest guy in the arbitration playhouse? Absolutely

not. We shall see how this all plays out in the coming weeks.

#SFGiants Non-Tender Rosario and Peguero, Keep On Board Everybody Else

Monday provided the good times for teams to decide whether they would hold on to players on their 25-man roster, essentially tendering them a one-year deal that could go through the arbitration process, or non-tendering them, making them a free agent. Beat writer Hank Schulman gave a one-tweet rundown of whom you needed to get ready for: 

So, with that said, let it be known that the Giants decided to tender Brandon Belt, Gregor Blanco, Tony Abreu, Yusmeiro Petit, and Joaquin Arias, while saying ta-ta officially to Sandy Rosario and Francisco Peguero. Some thoughts on the tenders (mmm… tenders…):

Belt: The most divisive first baseman on the planet because some thought he was going to be the second coming of Buster Posey and hasn’t been that (yet). Still, being an above-average MLB 1B with above-average MLB numbers make him a no-brainer to keep around. Plus, there have been rumors going around that the Giants would like to get a multi-year deal done with Belt, presumably to buy out his arbitration years through 2017.

Blanco: A joy to watch in the outfield and has decent enough splits against RHP to warrant him being in the lineup against them. Paying a couple mill to someone that can hit RHP and provide you with speed seems worth the money to me.

Abreu: A journeyman that played with four teams at the MLB level in five seasons. Defense isn’t rated as anything positive, and his offense is good against LHP, so while the Giants have no platoon going on with Marco Scutaro or Pablo Sandoval, Abreu’s bat can give some reason to give one of them a day off. For those that want to argue against Abreu’s ’13, his career numbers don’t suggest the 29-year old can keep it consistent.

Petit: He was one pitch away from a perfect game, but let us not forget he also had six outings of six or more strikeouts. In three outings he offered zero walks. In his eight outings, only one time did he not go five innings, and that was in his last start of the season. I do not mind the Giants taking a gamble on Petit to see how much longer he can mystify hitters, but I will admit, I’m not expecting much.

Arias: His value is with the glove, and his ability to play multiple infield positions, and not with the stick. You expect his .346 BABIP against RHP to stick when it’s been a career .298? Me neither. The Giants would be paying probably a little over a million if they held on to him to be depth on their bench. Pinching pennies, but you can get someone younger to do that for half the price. Looks like the Giants have their middle infield bench set as long as nobody else beats out Arias and Abreu for those spots.

To be frank I thought Sandy Rosario and Francisco Peguero were already gone so that’s why this move came as kind of odd to me. That’s what you get when you don’t go on your phone from 10pm-5pm every week day.

Arbitration News You’ve Probably Already Heard

For those that have been off social media or the San Francisco Giants home website, the Giants, along with a slew of other teams, have avoided salary arbitration with some of their players, all of them one-year deals announced today, for SF at least. Every year, fans go through a period of confusion as to what all this salary arbitration means. Plenty assume that avoiding salary arbitration means that a team has kept a player from signing with another team. However, avoiding salary arbitration is not the same thing as free agency. For more extensive reading on it, I’ll direct you here. If you follow Henry Schulman on Twitter, you’ve seen he’s been pretty good about being civil in educating them on the process. What you need to know is this: the players listed are due raises from what their 2012 salary was, and guys with names like Pence and Posey are probably going to see bigger raises than Mijares and Blanco, in terms of the dollars. Also consider that since Pence has been around longer as a bigger name, his salary will be more substantial. To put it in Hank’s words, with my own added emphasis: “Player$ love thi$ proce$$.” I’ll list the players, their service time, their 2012 salary, then their 2013 salary for you.

Hunter Pence — 5.156 years, $10.4MM in ’12, $13.8MM in ’13

Buster Posey — 2.161 years, $615K in ’12, $8MM in ’13

Jose Mijares — 4.024 years, $925K in ’12, $1.8MM in ’13

Gregor Blanco — 2.164 years, $516K in ’12, $1.35MM in ’13

The remaining Giants left to deal with are:

Sergio Romo — 4.097 years, $1.575MM ’12

Update: Romo and the Giants have exchanged numbers for the other side to look at. Romo’s side has filed $4.5MM, and the Giants have filed $2.675MM. 

Joaquin Arias — 3.071, ?? in ’12

This has predictably opened up a conversation about a long-term contract with Buster Posey, and there are plenty of options: year-to-year, buy out the rest of his arbitration years (through 2016), super long-term deal that buys out some of his free agent years at a high price. The Giants and Posey’s camp have expressed interest in a long-term deal, but it remains to be seen if something gets done.

As this Alden Gonzalez article mentions, the Giants and Romo+Arias have until February to get something worked out, and both sides would really rather not go to arbitration court since some not nice things can be said and feelings could get hurt. Sometimes, sides can agree on something at the last minute, like when the Giants and Tim Lincecum did right before a hearing once upon a time.

My numbers might be different than other people’s, but I have the Giants 2013 payroll commitments at $133,149,999.66 between 17 players, 16 of them active for the Giants (Huff being the odd man out). Larry Baer has said they’re looking to be closer to $140MM, and they’re on track for that.

Pitching is Our Priority

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How much will Timmy make in 2012?

2011 is over for the San Francisco Giants. If you were like me, you celebrated midnight and changed the calendar to 2012 because the off-season has officially begun for the 2010 Champs. It’s no secret that what got the Gigantes to the ticker-tape parade was a wall of pitching dominance and timely hitting by gentlemen who would not shine the same way in 2011. The first order of business going into this off-season as Sabes said, is the pitching. With that said, let’s take a look at who’s on the list for 2012, arbitration eligible for a pay raise and who may be donning a different uni by the time Spring Training breaks:

Set Salaries in 2012

  • Barry Zito ($19MM in 2012)
  • Matt Cain ($15.333)
  • Brian Wilson ($8.5)
  • Madison Bumgarner ($450K in 2011, controlled through 2016)
Arbitration Eligible and Options
  • Tim Lincecum ($14MM in 2011, 2 years of arbitration left)
  • Jonathan Sanchez ($4.8 in 2011, 2 years left)
  • Ramon Ramirez ($1.65 in 2011, 2 years)
  • Santiago Casilla ($1.3 in 2011, 2 years)
  • Sergio Romo ($450K in 2011, 3 years)
  • Ryan Vogelsong (Under Team Control)
  • Jeremy Affeldt ($5MM option that could be declined)
Free Agents
  • Javier Lopez ($2,375MM in 2011, Free Agent)
  • Guillermo Mota ($925K in 2011, Free Agent)
Other dudes like Surkamp, Runzler, Edlefsen and Joaquin are under team control for a while (don’t ask me to define that).
The set salaries are already about $43MM. That’s almost $3MM short of the San Diego Padres’ 2011 payroll. I know what you’re thinking: “Those guys could probably still beat the Padres by themselves.” It’s actually $5MM more than the Royals 2011 payroll. Now you’re probably thinking, “Gosh, I could run an MLB team!”
Let’s dream and imagine everyone is brought back from the Arbitration list and do a little guessing for their 2012 salaries: Timmy ($19MM),  Dirty ($6MM), Ramon ($2MM), Casilla ($3MM), Romo ($3.5MM), Vogey ($5MM), Affeldt ($4MM). That right there is an additional $42.5MM. We’re up to $85.5MM, and that number could be conservative, too.
If Lopez and Mota are brought back, I imagine they’ll combine for $5MM (Lopez 4 Mota 1), which would put the pitching staff at $90MM.
We haven’t even talked about the run-starved offense yet. This could get real interesting.
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